Man: Yes.
DJ: And that they have quality content on their website that they update regularly?
Man: It’s been interesting, I think. Mark Rippetoe, the Motley Fool bunch, they’ve already been doing that kind of thing for at least a decade. They’re pretty smooth, technically “polished.” Mark’s stuff is rough. He’s got people doing stuff, he’s got a podcast that he personally does, and he’s not very politically correct in his podcast. Part of the podcast is “Just Ask Mark a Question,” he goes, “Well, you know we put out these podcasts and they want me to answer your insane questions, so we’re going to put on these things and I hope you get something out of it while I’m talking. Let’s take the first question.” And there’s like a pile of paper and he pulls one out. “Is vapor smoking a better alternative to smoking cigarettes?” “You’re just a pussy. If you pick up a cigarette or start smoking and can’t quit smoking in 2016, with all that we know about smoking, you’re just a pussy.”
DJ: Yeah. So there’s a famous marketer that’s like the same kind of way. His name is Dan Kennedy. Famous marketer, and he talks about politics, and he talks about horses, and he’s very crude about certain things, you know. I mean he’ll just like say “shit” and everything else, and that’s just kind of the way that he is, and that’s a part of the marketing. It is to let people know who you are a little bit, even if they disagree with you, at least they know.
Man: One time he’s on and he just goes, “Do you like my Bernie shirt? I went to some website because I wanted to support Bernie a little bit, because I like some of the stuff he says, but you know, Bernie was never going to be the nominee. Some of the people may think that he’s going to be the nominee, or could have been a nominee. There might have been a time where Bernie thought he could have been a nominee, but there was no way that they were going let Bernie be the nominee.”
DJ: They’re getting the UN to monitor out elections, because they say that there’s election fraud happening. I’m sure that they had to submit some sort of application showing evidence of things, but they’re saying that the exit polls should not be off from the actual result by more than 2%, but in some exit poles they were off by as much as 23%. They think that there’s something wrong, and there’s been name deleting, you know, people deleted names from the ballots. Like here in Maricopa County there were huge lines. There are just problems with the election process here in the US, and they reported it to the UN and under some certain UN charter or whatever. I think that the UN is going to have to get involved in monitoring our elections. I find that very curious, you know? They’re saying that what happens behind closed doors in a third world country is just out in the open here. Everybody knows about it. It’s published, it’s in the newspapers, and so it’s not hard to find the evidence. I just thought that that was interesting; I wonder if that will happen and what that’ll mean, you know? Apparently that just hit the news today. Then there’s also that they’re hiring actors for the day of the convention, the democratic convention I believe. They wanted to hire actors that spoke middle-eastern languages.
Man: Because why?
DJ: To be crisis actors, but it doesn’t say what the crisis will be, but it’s interfacing with military stuff, being wounded. It basically sounds like a police training drill, but it’s supposedly going to take place on the day of the convention, so I saw this on the news too.
Man: Why would they do that on the day of the convention? That’s confusing enough.
DJ: Yeah, you’ve got to wonder right?
Man: So what’s the misdirection?
DJ: Yeah, that’s the misdirection; what’s actually going on?
At any rate, the whole thing just kind of struck me as curious. Who knows, it might be a hoax. There’s no telling what that would be. It’s like craigslist. A craigslist ad, who knows right? Could be legit or it could be completely a hoax.
They’re talking about paying $24 an hour. Stuff like this in the ads.
Man: Did you hear about that guy? Is he from England? He wants to assassinate Trump?
DJ: Yeah, I did! He got arrested at a Trump rally. Wasn’t he arrested here in Phoenix?
Man: No, Vegas.
DJ: Oh, was that in Vegas?
Man: Yeah.
DJ: Did you see the sign that they made here? Somebody made a huge blow-up thing of a Ku Klux Klan guy, standing next to a chalk board, and on the chalk board it said something about Donald Trump, but it was like a guy, you know, white with the pointy hat and some symbol.
At any rate, apparently he was standing outside at one of the rallies, but no, he didn’t try to kill anyone. What do you think about that? do you think that’s weird?
Man: It is pretty weird.
DJ: He tried to grab a gun from a cop.
Man: Yeah, that was his plan.
DJ: He wasn’t even close to him or anything. He was going to try to grab a handgun from a cop, and turn around, like the cop was going to let that happen?
Man: Right.
DJ: I don’t know, maybe, you know, if you’re real good. However, it’s unlikely that that would be successful, just because the crowd would stop you. Someone would. I think that trump was interesting when he was talking about how there should be more guns in the nightclubs, and I’m thinking, “No one is going to take a gun to a nightclub. It just doesn’t fit the attire. You have to be wearing a suit-coat or put something on your leg, you can’t dance.” Those were my thoughts; this is not going to happen.
Then the NRA goes, “No, no. We don’t want guns where people are drinking, seriously. We’re pretty much guns everywhere, guns all the time, except in bars where people are drinking, we’re not really going to get behind that.”
I thought that was interesting, I’m like, “Wow, even they have a limit.”
Man: Except in Arizona.
DJ: Yeah, well in Arizona it’s legal, and that just seems scary as hell to me. I don’t think that it’s allowed at most clubs.
Man: No.
DJ: But at most taverns
Man: I just don’t carry a gun, I leave it at my home, in a box. When I feel like going and shooting at dirt, then I take it out and go shoot at dirt. When red dawn happens, when Russians come falling out of the sky in Arizona like they did in the movie.. then maybe I’ll go get a gun.
DJ: I’ve been thinking that we should talk about sexuality, just to make sure we’re using something current.
Man: Are you recording yet?
DJ: Yeah.
Man: By the way, who am I?
DJ: Who are you?
Man: I am Master Bert Lindsay. I’m a 6th degree black belt in the martial arts, in Tang Soo Do, a doctor of chiropractic. What else do I do? I’ve got a master’s practitioner in neural linguistic programming.
DJ: I think your bio is online.
Man: Oh, is it online?
DJ: Yeah, I think that it’s on the website, Success Vector.
Man: Well, there you go.
DJ: Got a picture of you too.
Man: Okay. Well that’s who I am. Who are you? DJ Pritchard.
DJ: Yeah, my bio is online too.
Man: Oh, your bio is on there too?
DJ: Well that’s an interesting question, who am I? I suppose in the clergy I’m a layperson. Right?
Man: Right.
DJ: What do you say? Am I a philosopher?
Man: Definitely a teacher.
DJ: Am I awake? Am I a teacher, a stir-the-pot-er, one of those guys that ride the horse backwards?
Man: On the religious kind of thing, are you more of a cleric or more of a monk?
DJ: Oh, there’s a distinction to be made?
Man: Yes, the idea that I have about a cleric is that they tell people about what the monk has experienced, and the monk is the one who is having the experiences.
DJ: Oh, I don’t know. Now that’s an interesting thing. I’m trying to like run back and forth and do both.
Man: Okay.
DJ: “Run back and forth” is a weird expression to use in that, but it does seem like there are the times when there’s solitude and the mind can clear in a way that it doesn’t do when there’s input and there’s activity and others and that sort of thing.
My practice has always been about actually maintaining a bit of that through the rest of the exchanges, and so keeping as much as a spacious mind and bringing myself back to that spaciousness, bringing myself back to that present observer kind of state, wherein I’m aware of the observer. I’m aware of the awareness, and so maintaining that through exchanges has kind of been at the heart of my practice.
So when I was young, one of the books that I read about meditation said that meditation was not just for the times of sitting and posture, but meditation is possible at all times and the training then really is about maintaining that meditative disposition, that meditative state, during daily life. So there are like walking meditations, where a person will walk. Do you think that the background noise is too much?
Man: I don’t want it to interrupt the recording.
DJ: I can turn it off by turning some of these computers off and then back on and doing some stuff, so let’s just continue with this discussion.
I remember it specifically because it had a picture of a person meditating on a city street, like the median where a stoplight is in between two lanes of traffic on a busy intersection and sitting there in a meditative posture and meditating, and it occurred to me, you know, what they’re talking about. I later heard this referred to as being one moment in the awareness of the ultimate, and the following moment in the presents of the world, and alternating between the two at such a rapid pace that it seems as though it becomes one consciousness. So there’s a blending of the ultimate and the relative worlds, so that one’s aware of the ultimate reality at all times, in their activities in the world.
Man: Okay.
DJ: So that’s been at the heart of my practice. Not only do I have those times when my awareness is, let’s just say, because I’ve been using that word, so more sky-like, encompassing more of the ultimate reality, and I’m saying “more” which is kind of a weird thing, so I’m putting equalities on something that can’t be qualified. If you’re touching the water with your toe, you know, you’re aware of the water. So if you’re swimming and you’re completely engulfed in it, you’re aware of it in one way, and if you’re walking in it and touching it, you’re aware of it still, although in a different way. So that’s been the way that I’ve looked at life, and kind of my path, my dharma, like this is my study here.
It’s not the topic I think that we started out to talk about.
Man: No, a little definition is good. Do you want to talk about sexuality or sensuality or both?
DJ: What I really want to talk about, I think what needs to be discussed is the availability of transformational through love making, and I think that this is something that’s both undersold and oversold. There are all these tantric schools, where there’s a variety of things that go on, and they want you to learn another language, and they want you to believe certain beliefs about different things. I think that there’s a much more practical way to approach awareness during sexuality, and to utilize the tools that are available in kind of a unique way, during that time, and so that has to do with the linking of the neural networks, the sympathetic networks. There’s a lot of pheromone and various other communication tools that the body just uses kind of on its own, but it can be enhanced with awareness. I think this is the most common gateway for individuals to begin to expand their consciousness, to begin to get out of the box that they define as themselves.
So I think this is an area where I often tend to want to frame it in a particular way, like it’s the men’s fault for not leading their women to the orgasmic state, but that’s not completely right. Many women believe that they can’t get there with a man, through intercourse. They’ve never done it, and it doesn’t seem feasible. Then the men, men are kind of trained to believe that their orgasm is the purpose of sex.
Man: Oh, it’s the defining moment of sex.
DJ: Right, like that’s the money shot there, you know. The rest of it could be, could not be, whatever. I know guys who literally don’t care whether they please the woman that they’re with. There are guys that I know that were practicing pick-up, practicing meeting girls and having sex with them, but they weren’t particularly good at sex apparently. There’s stuff that they had down, but they probably weren’t big on the referral network, just judging by the way they talk, because I was trying to explain this to someone.
This is one of the reasons why it’s so important to practice a kind of empathy to get a perspective on how others are experiencing life, because I find that there’s certain things that happen during the period that most people call foreplay, around sex. There are certain kinds of harmonizing, certain kinds of mood harmonizing things going on. There obviously are chemicals released and stuff like this, but there’s the ability to sense whether or not your partner is experiencing pleasure.
Man: Okay.
DJ: Some give more feedback than others.
Man: Yes, they do.
DJ: That’s very true. Nevertheless, if you’re aware of how they feel, like how their skin feels, what their rate of breathing is, and if you’re paying attention to that, if you’re harmonizing with them to a point where you can sense their breathing, then of course there are other signs, such as moisture on the skin or in the genitals, or the sex organs, they did wet, different parts of them might get engorged with blood and various other things happen. If you’re paying attention to all these signs, you can really harmonize with the person you’re with, and then if you’re in harmony with them and the idea is exchanging pleasure, you can often encourage their experience of pleasure. So once you find out how they’re experiencing it, and what kinds of things are bringing them more pleasure, then you can continue to practice those things and add variation to that.
This is kind of what good sex is about. So for a guy, like for me, when I’m having really good sex, what it’s about is tuning into the woman’s sexual arousal, tuning into it to the point where I’m interacting with that sexual arousal. I lead the way then, so I can guide them into more stimulation, or into an interesting pattern of stimulation and various other things like this so that it increases their pleasure. Increasing their pleasure increases the flow of the various hormones and other kinds of things that are going on, so that gives me a sort of some place to play. Once I understand what kinds of things they’re responding to, then I can start to feedback that response of pleasure to them and increase their pleasure. That’s where I like to stay.
So there’s a lot of guys, and whether I’m doing this during foreplay, or whether I’m doing this during intercourse, it’s still kind of the same thing. I’m still like, “Is this working? Is this getting a positive response? Am I building on what I was doing earlier? Or am I losing her by going off on something that maybe isn’t as interesting to her or whatever. I’m paying attention to this, monitoring this, not worrying about whether I’m doing one or the other, because I can always take a break and laugh about something or do something else. It’s a good idea to break the concentration periodically, because it can be monotonous and therefore uninteresting to continue to try and build and build and build. So you build for a while, you take a break, you build for a while, you take a break, you do something really outrageous, and then you come part way back.
Man: Part way back?
DJ: Yeah, well. Just saying.
But so when you build it incrementally, or try and kind of ratchet it out, opposed to taking a straight line to a stimulation, it gives a lot more breadth and depth to the experience and can make it much more interesting.
Man: Oh okay, so most guys like the linear progression, the kind of acts with no breaks in between?
DJ: Well kind of, because it’s a little bit uncomfortable in a way, to leave that behind, I mean if you think about a guy, if the stimulation stops for the guy,, the guy may become flaccid, he may not maintain his erection, and so a lot of times it just makes sense. It’s also time management, they get in a hurry, they learn how to cum and they just go straight to it.
Man: Time management?
DJ: Yeah. Well, they’re not using the experience of whether it’s self-stimulation or whether it’s being with someone else, they’re not using it with the idea of prolonging it, and seeing if they can just not cum maybe, or maybe take a long time to cum.
Man: Yeah.
DJ: And so when you focus on that then and do something completely different, or something slightly different, then you get a lot more flexibility, and that is an easier way to increase the stimulation with the woman typically, rather than going straight at it the way the guy normally would. So she probably is going to be more interested in layers, levels, of increasing intensity, rather than not, and back and forth and other kinds of things, because it’s like watching a pot of water and wanting it to boil, if that’s what you’re doing it seems like it takes forever, whereas if you just did something else while you were doing that, then it would happen just on schedule.
So that’s kind of the thing, if you’re just sitting around wanting something to happen, you can actually kind of scare it off, you can over focus on it, you can make too much of a deal out of it.
Man: Right. That’s in many areas, that kind of attitude, wanting something so much that, as you say, it scares it off.
DJ: Right, put too much pressure on yourself or on others. But I think it’s more important that the chemicals that are released, I think that’s an important part of mental health, and physical health, to have that happen, I think that the more intense sexual experiences, the larger quantity of these chemicals that a person can allow themselves to experience, I think the better, for their own disposition, for their own mental health, for their own state of mind and mood, I think it’s important to have these things. I don’t know if it affects mental clarity or any of the other stuff, but it may very well keep on height, particularly if they’re working with the empathetic responses, and this is I guess what I’m saying it is right now, where you’re feeling what someone else isn’t enjoying, and you’re adjusting what you’re doing to work with that.
And then it’s possible, and here’s where I think it’s helpful for men to have a sense of purpose and a sense of what they’re doing, because essentially, what I most often do, is work with my partner, not only physically, but also verbally, I usually talk to them, and we-
Man: You’re not supposed to talk to people when you’re having sex, come on!
DJ: Yeah, there’s non-stop talking. I once went to a seminar, this is funny, this lady came in, she was 78 years old I think, and she was giving the sexual presentation of the thing, and she’s like, “Whatever you do, don’t talk, I don’t want to hear this, ‘Oh, do you like this, or, is this okay?'” She’s like, “I don’t want to -Don’t ask me a whole bunch of stuff where I have to-” And I’m thinking, “Well, I wouldn’t be talking about that, I wouldn’t be insecure about whether or not you were enjoying what was going on, I would be guiding your enjoyment. We would be working together to increase that enjoyment and maximize that whole experience for you.” I just thought that was interesting, apparently her idea of what men say is, “I’m weak, mommy please help me.” You know, we’ll see, right? But I wasn’t terribly impressed with that. I mean she was interesting, she had a lot of other stuff to say, and she’s the reason the work “spunky” exists.
Man: Oh, okay.
DJ: Yeah, I mean she was really something.
Man: Yeah, the embodiment of the word spunky.
DJ: Yeah, and they brought her in late at night, from like 8 to 10 at night or something like that. It was interesting. I guess some of the guys had no experience speaking with a woman of any age, and having a frank discussion about sex. See, that was one of the things-
Man: That’s just weird, because I talk to every girl that I’ve ever been with, you know, they want communication, so, okay, let’s talk about this. This is what we’re going to do, and you will enjoy it.
DJ: Right, right. I think it’s interesting to ask them which gives them more pleasure, this or this.
Man: That’s a better question.
DJ: I mean that’s a really interesting way to progress things, and “What types of pleasure does it give you, is it pleasure that starts from the inside and just moves to, you know, just tingles through the other?” Both of which are great suggestions. You could do that all the time.
Man: I think we have an unfair advantage in communication during that intimate time since we’ve both been trained in hypnotic language.
DJ: Yeah, that’s helpful, that’s for sure, but even before I knew that I still kind of wanted to increase their pleasure. I’ve always felt like the real in a sexual exchange, is the woman’s orgasm, that’s kind of the fountain that sex takes place in.
Man: Right.
DJ: So like good sex happens during her orgasm. It’s kind of a matter of bringing that out, that’s kind of the way that I’ve always felt about it, and so not all sex it good you know.
Man: Yeah.
DJ: That’s not a ultimate situation. There’s all kinds of good sex. Some of it includes that and some of it doesn’t. But it’s been one of the primary things that I’ve felt was important about sex, and that I really appreciate a lot about sex. I think there’s something also about the power of the feminine nature. The power of that receptive cauldron of love and creation that a woman is in that heightened state. I believe that that’s where some of the most important communication takes place, between men and women, and between women and their environment. If they set a good tone through that orgasm, then that will radiate into the other parts of their life.
That’s why I think it’s so important, especially for social situations, I believe that it all works out better if particularly the woman has been having regular orgasms-
Man: Yeah.
DJ: I think that she’s more at ease with herself and has the opportunity to feel good about herself.
Man: Does that feed into the security that a woman wants to feel?
DJ: Well it can go kind of both ways, I mean ultimately yes, a woman who understands her own freedom in all of that, then yeah, the freedom is security, and that’s probably better than security coming from someone else. It might go through a stage where a woman realizes that she’s experiencing life a whole new way and wants to protect that, so that can prompt some insecurity, in that way.
Man: Oh, yes. Especially living in the United States, the wasteland of sexual, what do you want to call that-
DJ: Yeah you might say, you know I-
Man: Just a sexual wasteland, we use sex to sell everything, but we can’t have any of it.
DJ: Yeah, we can’t have good sex, for sure. You know, the sex that we do have has to be bad. It’s almost like there’s a rule that says that men can’t actually pleasure woman, and women can’t want that, can’t appreciate that. So it’s an odd paradigm that works against a lot of happy people, who would otherwise be enjoying life, and finding their spiritual core, though the process of loving another. So I think that it’s possible to have that be the path of connection, that path of connection also be the expansion.
Man: Isn’t that the path of devotion?
DJ: Not necessarily, but it could be.
Man: Oh, okay.
DJ: The path of devotion, that’s the path that all the religions have been trying to get their practitioners to use. They’re not particularly good at it, because first of all in Christianity they lack basic understanding of what they’re trying to teach. In my experience it’s hard to access anything there. What they want you to do is to really feel that love and that devotion to a higher source, or some sort of source of inspiration, and so that’s what they’re using in almost all religions, because that path is one that brings people real happiness and real light. It’s like a forgiveness process, and it’s like a process sort of belonging, so the devotion, in order for one to really become devoted, they have to be willing to forgive themselves in general of the things that would block that, and so shame and guilt and those kinds of things would block the feelings of devotion from happening, because the person would feel like they’re not worthy, so you’d need to clean that stuff away, and then the devotion can happen.
I kind of think of this as one of the ways that the enlightenment, that awakening, can take place. In the same kind of way that I think of the spirit realm being one of the mystical realms, you know, like it could be the psychological realm, or a bunch of other realms, so the spirit realm exists, which always seems to me a little bit like a creation, like the spirit realm exists because the psychology says “Well we need a father figure to have certain things happen, or we need a mother figure, or we need a beautiful woman, or we need a warrior to symbolize certain things.” And so the spirit world always seems like a creation that’s kind of overlaid on the top of the reality, the reality is they need to express certain states of mind, certain states of being, so they created a spirit to represent that. That’s a part of my understanding of the universe, but the spirit realm is one that tends to be less accessible, and I think that’s just because of the way that Christianity treats the spirit realm. They kind of abuse it because they don’t explain it and they have certain isolated references to spirits. And so it’s like, there’s a God, and there’s a son of God, a holy spirit, a devil, and a bunch of angels. We know the names of a couple of them, but that’s really vague. I’m sure someone somewhere has a map of who those angels are and how all that stuff was going down, isn’t it in some writing some place, but apparently it doesn’t suit Christianity to make that obvious.
Man: That would be too much like, what is that, like there’s a whole bunch of stuff to worship.
DJ: Right, but that’s what the basis of that is, and then there’s even a-
Man: Polytheism, that’s what it is.
DJ: Polytheism, right. But they have a background in polytheism, but then they try and be monotheistic.
Man: It’s funny, yeah.
DJ: Are we good now?
Man: Have we delved in enough in the sexuality that you wanted to discuss?
DJ: The ability to connect to connect on a deep level needs to be a part of our education system.
Man: Yes.
DJ: I don’t think that we should avoid that at all, even in sex-ed. I think this needs to be a big part of what we do. We need to teach the ability to empathize with others.
Man: Get away from the demonizing of good sex and the promotion of the boring, just functional sex for children-
DJ: For children? That’s not for children.
Man: To produce children-
DJ: Oh right.
Man: Offspring, and stuff. Let’s get that sound-bite right. So the sexual activity to produce offspring to reproduce the species, to keep it going. Yes, that’s important, but it’s not the only thing that humans have sex for.
DJ: Well I would hope not, but I think too often sex becomes a mechanical function that is about a small amount of pleasure.
Man: Well isn’t that a part of the way our schedules have manifested over the industrial age and now into the information age?
DJ: I don’t know, I don’t let my schedule do that to me.
Man: Well you’re a unique human being in this United States where most people are on a schedule and they schedule sex in the schedule, “Thursday night for half hour”.
DJ: If you’re not scheduling at least 3, 4 hours for sex, why bother?
Man: No, no, 15 minutes.
DJ: I mean it’s only to have a spontaneous little. Let’s do this and let’s have a few moments here before we do something else, or in the midst of whatever. But if you’re going to schedule it, you’ve got to schedule a good session, or why would you bother to put it on a schedule? If you’re just going to have mediocre sex-
Man: Why schedule it?
DJ: Do it yourself. Why schedule it, exactly, I mean that’s my thinking on the subject. I think it needs to be set up to be something that people can do and appreciate each other’s responses.
Man: Would you say that both men and women, and men especially, need good sex in like an environment where it’s okay to take a long time instead of having to be in a hurry all the time? Like artful sex or exquisite sex or something instead of the “Wham, bam, thank you ma’am” I’m going to work now.
DJ: Well I think you need both. But I definitely wouldn’t want to live without the deeper, more meaningful, time consuming time, you know. It’s about the quality time, spending quality time with someone, and I’m talking about a quality that you don’t get to without spending that time to build that- Even if you can recreate that in a 15 minute session. It’s almost like goes, if you don’t ever spend any time alone, and quiet your mind, then it does seem harder to have that present when you’re, you know, if you don’t spend the time to really make love with someone, and to really get in depth with that and to really connect and link up those neural networks, and link up the hormonal systems and really get beyond one’s self into an experience that one shares with another, if you don’t set time aside to do that, then you’re going to fall out of that and it’s going to be about me fucking you, you know, it’s going to be about having sex at someone-
Man: Instead of with someone.
DJ: Yeah, right. What it becomes in a lot of society today, in a lot of American society, the men are having sex at the women, instead of with the women. The women are not getting it, they’re like, “I don’t get it.” That’s why they don’t last very long, because they’re not really linking up and harmonizing with the other person, they’re still objectifying the other person.
I’ve got to tell you, I don’t think objectifying is a bad thing. I think that it can be overused, for sure. But I’ve had women be like, “Oh he’s objectifying men.” Or whatever. “Men are objectifying women.” I guess I don’t agree with that in a lot of ways. I don’t get turned on by someone I don’t feel a connection with. It doesn’t matter what they look like or anything, if I don’t feel a connection I don’t get turned on around them.
I don’t really objectify on that level. There are times when you can go back and forth between that kind of ultimate reality and that conditioned reality. If you’re making love with someone, part of the time what you’re doing is being aware of the vast infinite space and time that all creation exists within. Part of the time you’re aware of, like what a turn on this particular moment is, those things kind of can do together, they can alternate, you can share the experience from both states, like from that “Oh, you know, this is really hot, I really like it.”, and the state of, “This is the touching of the surface of the experience and the ripples radiate throughout all of space and time.”
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Having that touching experience during love making, then also having the other experience, maybe in the same session. Maybe one session is one way and one session is another. I think that is an important piece though, to have that awareness. To be able to guide your partner into that experience of the ultimate reality, as clearly as you can.This gives men the charge of knowing how to access that ultimate reality. How to access that spacious, timeless existence, and then being able to exist in that state. Well not being able to, I mean that’s kind of weird.. But then using that state and keeping that state while making love. And while doing whatever else it is. The point is to continue to be in that awakened state throughout all experience and share that with your partner. My experience with partners is that I closely align, in a way so as to allow me to guide them into these different states. That’s a good way to design that.
